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suvroc ([personal profile] suvroc) wrote2006-07-13 01:44 am

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I was biking home from Center City today when a bumper sticker caught my eye. It was in Hebrew and it read Israel for the Jewish People (or more directly translated as The Jewish State Exists for the Jewish People).

I've seen both right- and left-wing Israeli stickers in Philly before. Well, more right than left, but that's no big surprise considering the politics of most American Jews. What was weird about this specific sticker, and the reason it merits a post, is that it was right next to about four stickers which proudly proclaimed that the driver of the vehicle not only hated George W. Bush - Bush bin L'yin - but also had a strong disdain for state-sponsored violence - In War, There Is No Right, Just What's Left.

I was confused. How can one hate war and George Bush and everything else and at the same time advocate the belief that Israel should only be for Jews? That's like... I don't even know what that's like! It's terribly stupid.

For those of you who don't know too many Jews personally (or biblically!), let me explain. This, this ability to not see the contradiction between liberal/left-of-center politics and an admittedly irrational love of Israel ("Wherever we stand, we stand with Israel" being a great example of this type of propaganda), this Jewish liberal ethos, is totally typical. There's this strange belief amongst American Jews that one cannot criticize Israel, no matter what the government there does. It comes directly out of anti-Semitism and the fear that if one shows weakness and even the hint of internal strife, one's enemies will be quick to take advantage.

Back to my story! As the car was double parked, I figured to wait around until the owner decided to come back. I didn't know what I was going to say but I was hoping for confrontation.

So I sat! And waited! And plotted! I was hoping the driver would be someone that I could feel comfortable confronting. For me that means someone between the ages of 16 and 45, preferably male, and probably white. I didn't want this to turn into anything other than me calling them on their political views. Unfortunately, fate was not to smile on me, as it was a woman! well dressed, early 20s, and moving fast, who got into the car. And by that point, it was too late, even if I had decided to go for it.

As she drove away, I noticed two more stickers on her car, one for Green Mountain College (Vermont's Environmental Liberal Arts College), the other a Grateful Dead bear. Seeing those stickers made me quite happy I decided to not confront her. If there's anything more annoying than a Jewish liberal with silly and contradictory politics, it's a Jewish liberal with silly and contradictory politics who is also a hippie of some kind. I went to middle and high school with many of them. They were into Phish, Dave Matthews Band, and Bill Clinton. It was obnoxious.

[identity profile] lopukhov.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
The very first ethnography project I did as an undergrad was for ANP 201. It was a summer class, and an introductory class, but I took it seriously. While my classmates went off to research singles at singles dances, the EL-town bar culture in the summer, and people at the interfaith alliance centre, I decided to tackle something more political. At the end of the spring semester, the college newspaper had decided to publish 10 ads sponsored by CampusTruth.org, and had refused to apologise for the kinda sorta mean content of the ads.

Of course, myself, then 18 and naïve, I wanted to know how members of the Jewish Student Centre viewed the ads and what they think of Arabs or Muslims. The Centre's director, the mother of one of my classmates, told me in an interview: "I don't know any Jewish person, or know of any Jewish person who is conservative. Jews are very liberal."

I nearly died when I heard that. Of course, I was thinking of little Paulie W, but being an amateur anthropologist, I was not yet adept at making questions that made my informants feel stupid, so I didn't say anything, though I made fun of her comment in my final analysis.

Also, hippies are gross.

[identity profile] satanscientist.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, that is a fairly typical story. Liberal on everything but israel, and then hawkish as shit. American Jews are much more lock-step with the israeli government (whoever is in power) then israelis are!

But this you know already.

[identity profile] squelch84.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I was going to make a very similar post, not really about Israel or Jews, but about people blindly standing behind their country/country of origin without thinking about their own personal politics.

[identity profile] recommendation.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
it's all true. and i've never understood it.

here's a joke that is pertinent:

The Israeli Ambassador at the U.N. began, "Ladies and gentlemen before I commence with my speech, I want to relay an old Passover story to all of you ...

"When Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt toward the Promised Land, he had to go through the nearly endless Sinai desert. The people became thirsty and needed water. So Moses struck the side of a mountain with his staff and a pond appeared with crystal clean, cool water. The people rejoiced and drank to their hearts' content.

"Moses wished to cleanse his whole body, so he went over to the other side of the pond, took all of his clothes off and dove into the cool waters. Only when Moses came out of the water, he discovered that all his clothes had been stolen. 'And,' he said, 'I have reasons to believe that the Palestinians stole my clothes.'"

The Palestinian delegate, hearing this accusation, jumps from his seat and screams out, "This is a travesty. It is widely known that there were no Palestinians there at that time!"

"And with that in mind," said the Israeli Ambassador, "let me now begin my speech."



hahahaha. god, that makes me laugh.




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[personal profile] sabotabby 2006-07-13 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
<3

Sounds like my dad's family. Or most of the Hillel girls around here, really.

[identity profile] corvus.livejournal.com 2006-07-17 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
http://community.livejournal.com/all4israel/337370.html

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[identity profile] individuation.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
one of my best childhood friends, who was really liberal before she became a lawyer, starting buying real estate, etc... is big into AIPAC conventions and Israel. I frequently have to explain to her why I don't want to go to AIPAC conventions with her. She doesn't get it either. She's still one of the sweetest girls I know... but eh.

Did you hear that some Israeli soldiers are being taken to Iran?? A friend of mine just posted about it. Now THAT'S some scary WWIII inducing shit.

[identity profile] cloud8.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
a Jewish liberal with silly and contradictory politics who is also a hippie of some kind

if you had started the phrase with the hippie part first, it would have been redundant.

[identity profile] corvus.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
That's funny, I don't remember the Queers referencing religion in that song "Granola Head"... :-D

[identity profile] dobrovolets.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
a Jewish liberal with silly and contradictory politics who is also a hippie of some kind

That would be not only many of our former classmates, but also my most recent ex-boss. My previous ex-boss was a Jewish liberal with silly, contradictory politics, but was in no way a hippie.

From my mother. I am not amused.

[identity profile] corvus.livejournal.com 2006-07-15 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] wiped.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
reminds me of a conversation i had with my jewish aunt and uncle just this week. they were really critical of bush, oil corporations profiteering, the american political system and international military intervention, and so on. the conversation moved towards discussing activism and they lauded the efforts of a rich "philanthropist" friend of theirs who donated "lots of money to israel." i thought my tongue would come off, i was biting it so hard.

[identity profile] warhooligan.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
you know, when I think of DMB and phish, the ONLY thing I think is "annoying".

I wish I had something more on point to say, but I know exactly what youre talking about.